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Old 12-19-2006, 02:24 PM   #26
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Time to start a SiN MOD project - come up with our own ending.
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Old 12-19-2006, 02:28 PM   #27
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Time to start a SiN MOD project - come up with our own ending.
Yeah no kidding, if Ritual is not going to release episode 2.
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Old 12-20-2006, 02:03 AM   #28
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I'm wondering this myself... I really hope this isn't true, i know episode wasn't the base but it got the ball rolling didn't it, amirite everybody?

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Old 12-20-2006, 02:29 PM   #29
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Yes, it got it rolling. We griped about a few things but it did have us wanting the next installment of the series. I do hope its not truly dead.
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Old 12-20-2006, 07:49 PM   #30
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It's been cancelled:

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2006/12...ady_cancelled/

http://www.developmag.com/newsitem.php?id=25111

Here is the forum that I found out about it:

http://www.hl2world.com/bbs/sin-epis...d-vt46769.html
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Old 12-20-2006, 08:01 PM   #31
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So where does "developmag.com" get it's information from,
other than a "games for windows podcast" that I personally
have never heard of?
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Old 12-20-2006, 09:02 PM   #32
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Oh lord All those links lead back to the same unconfirmed jaw jabbering from the GFW podcast.

Do some of you actually want it to fail, and will use any shred of half-talk, hack journalism as a final word to it's demise? Learn to distinguish fact from repetitious rumour.

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Old 12-20-2006, 09:16 PM   #33
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So where does "developmag.com" get it's information from, other than a "games for windows podcast" that I personally have never heard of?
That's the podcast that started this thread. "Games for Windows" is the new name of a magazine that used to be "Computer Gaming World".

Blade_cop, those articles are just (mis)reporting on the same thing that started all of this.

To recap for newcomers: In the podcast, magazine editors say that they tried contacting Tom Mustaine (who was the vice president of Ritual, but has since quit) about Sin Episode 2 and could not get any statement about the game from him. Based on his silence and the other big Ritual departures the magazine editors speculated (rightfully in my opinion) that Sin Episode 2 was cancelled.

A lot of gaming news sites have picked up on that story and reported it as fact rather than speculation. All the stories eventually go back to this same podcast.

So shame on the press for not getting the facts completely straight when re-reporting this story, but ten times the shame on Ritual for doing nothing to clear up a rumor that has obviously grown quite large at this point.
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Old 12-20-2006, 09:27 PM   #34
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Do some of you actually want it to fail, and will use any shred of half-talk, hack journalism as a final word to it's demise? Learn to distinguish fact from repetitious rumour.
I think we all want to know the truth, but right now it's a one sided conversation.

It's easy to believe the rumors when the biggest argument for not believing them is what amounts to "faith" at this point.
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Old 12-20-2006, 09:37 PM   #35
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You are much nicer to them than I am Ogden My rhetoric is more about the perversion of information on this topic by the outside sources, and not about Ritual's lack of response.

It's painfully obvious at this point that they are either all dead, or that PR has determined to continue being lackadaisical about it. Whether it's detrimental or not I don't believe it matters much. If it's cancelled, then it's cancelled; personally I thought Emergence was just OK. If not, then they can still market #2 giving a 3 week window before release, or possibly combine a back-back release with #3.

In the meantime I prefer to pistol-whip my fellow provincialist until he confirms the source of info before knee-jerking at the Submit Reply button.

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Old 12-20-2006, 09:55 PM   #36
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In the meantime I prefer to pistol-whip my fellow provincialist until he confirms the source of info before knee-jerking at the Submit Reply button.
Who are you referring this to??
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Old 12-20-2006, 09:58 PM   #37
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It's easy to believe the rumors when the biggest argument for not believing them is what amounts to "faith" at this point.
At this point I don't believe either side. Obviously not the rumours because it would be painfully idiotic to stand behind spreading hearsay as a base for a possible pending truth, and not Ritual either due to the circumstances regarding their staff and the fact that I don't have Ep #2 in my hands. Game development on the web is a double-edged sword, which on the negative allows those individuals or companies who lack integrity or direction to cook up any idea and start preaching about their "revolutionary" coming title, and the more it happens, the more faith they are blindly given by fans.

I'm not saying Ritual is such a company, but let's face it, they've only released one original IP and a bunch of forgetful spinoff or franchise titles. This wasn't a company who should have pioneered the episodic delivery model along with giant VALVE.

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Old 12-21-2006, 01:18 AM   #38
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Raveness... shut up, everyone is entitled to comment on this, this is very 50/50 anyway, either it is cancelled or not simple as that

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Old 12-21-2006, 05:30 AM   #39
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I wonder how much of Episode 2 has been completed? Assuming a lot of development hours has been put into it maybe it would be wise just to finish it and see how things develop from there. I havent kept up with who has left and the role they had in the game so I'm not sure if this is a foolish comment or not.
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Old 12-21-2006, 11:30 AM   #40
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Raveness... shut up, everyone is entitled to comment on this, this is very 50/50 anyway, either it is cancelled or not simple as that
This isn't 50/50 at all. No one at Ritual is even hinting at cancelling the series, this whole thread is mislead. I guess you people don't realize that the people making the podcast tried to contact an ex-ritual employee about a current project which is something he obviously can't comment on.

Also, hot564321, don't tell someone to shut up and then follow that with "everyone is entitled to comment on this" because it shows you don't think logically.

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Old 12-21-2006, 01:50 PM   #41
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No one at Ritual is even hinting at cancelling the series, this whole thread is mislead.
... no one at Ritual ...
I think you can figure out for yourself what I was going to say here.

And you're wrong too, all those guys leaving ritual.. that's a pretty big hint in my book, even if they didn't say anything.
I'm still hoping for some good news about ep2 though, or I wouldn't be here right now.
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Old 12-21-2006, 07:09 PM   #42
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After a project is done people leave. I guess they hired new people just for show then.

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Old 12-21-2006, 08:20 PM   #43
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I guess you people don't realize that the people making the podcast tried to contact an ex-ritual employee about a current project which is something he obviously can't comment on.
Technically, he wasn't an ex-Ritual employee at the time - at least not publically. The announcement of his leaving was made 2 days after the podcast, but obviously at that point his leaving was already in the works so to speak.

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As far as I know, they've hired no new employees, merely shifted existing ones. I've only seen the major press releases though, was this revealed on a forum or similar?

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Old 12-21-2006, 08:48 PM   #44
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I wonder if Badman knows what's going on with episode 2. If he does, maybe he can tell us what's going on or possibly Normality can tell us?

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Raveness... shut up, everyone is entitled to comment on this, this is very 50/50 anyway, either it is cancelled or not simple as that
If everyone is entitled to comment, then why are you telling people to shut up? I thought that a forum was a meeting place for the discussion of questions of public scrutiny. If there are no contrary terms in discussion what's the point of having one?

I still think that Ritual will comethrough, though I am ever the optimist in these situations; I just hope that they live on to continue releasing episodes -that's my biggest concern.

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Old 12-22-2006, 04:27 PM   #46
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We can only wait and see what's really going to happend at Ritual, maybe it wasn't the smartest idea to use HL2 source engine after all (i didn't like that idea at all).

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Old 12-22-2006, 07:22 PM   #47
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maybe it wasn't the smartest idea to use HL2 source engine after all (i didn't like that idea at all
Please elaborate on what you mean by that. I don't see how the Source engine harmed them in any way, it's a perfectly capable engine.

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Ah, I presume you're referring to Tom Mustaine's comments in this article

The bit about merging code I understand, but then again Ritual just could of stuck with the version they had and continued development on it independantly. I can only presume they wanted to keep it up to date with Valve's codebase because the additions or fixes were things they couldn't do themselves. Also, it's a sort of unwritten expectation of episodic gaming that the engine will be improved over time; I doubt that they would have avoided this issue by using a different engine.

As far as comparisons to HL2 I doubt the engine had much to do with that. People always compare titles of the same genre. No one has any hesitation comparing Far Cry to Doom 3 to FEAR to HL2 despite the fact that they all use different engines.

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Old 12-22-2006, 08:16 PM   #48
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After I read that article of Tom Mustaine, I think Episode 2 is going to come out for sure.
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Old 12-23-2006, 03:36 AM   #49
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I almost wish they had just took 3 years and made a full game.
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Please elaborate on what you mean by that. I don't see how the Source engine harmed them in any way, it's a perfectly capable engine.

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Ah, I presume you're referring to Tom Mustaine's comments in this article
Yep, that's the one i was referring. Other bla blas was just your opinion, and i don't share it 100% HL2 source engine is not a godlike, it has it's pros and cons.
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